[Truth]

i'm new and i have a question....not sure whether it's inserted in the right topic though........what is the truth about the Holy Spirit?

[gonewai josua]

Truth, on 08 February 2010 - 04:20 PM, said:

i'm new and i have a question....not sure whether it's inserted in the right topic though........what is the truth about the Holy Spirit?

the truth is: JESUS baptises in the SPIRIT. GOD sent HIM through JESUS request. HE, the SPIRIT is invisible, yes, SPIRIT and we have to walk in HIM so that we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. pliz, notice the word 'fulfill'. we as believers must be filled in HIM. HE must be filled in HIM.

[Matt Smith]

Truth, on 07 February 2010 - 09:20 PM, said:

i'm new and i have a question....not sure whether it's inserted in the right topic though........what is the truth about the Holy Spirit?

You will find that these articles help answer your question:

The Holy Spirit Gifts - A Brief Exposition

The Purpose of the Holy Spirit Gifts - Are They Available Today?


Hope this helps.

[music4name]

To understand the Holy Spirit, one must set aside the Greek Thinking we have all learned and take a more Hebraic approach to scripture.
The Hebrews (who wrote scripture) related everything in their lives to the function of their natural realm. The Eastern trade wind were a major source of guidance to the nomadic tribes of the East. The word "spirit" in Greek and hebrew carries the meaning of breath or wind. In Acts two there was the sound of a mighty rushing of wind as the Holy Spirit was poured out. It is several times oforded the attribute of guiding.
The Word Holy in Hebrew does not mean piety or spiritual in any sense. It simply means set aside for a special purpose. In fact it is used to describe male prostitutes set aside for their purpose.
"Holy Spirit" simply means the breath or wind of god set aside for a special purpose.

Let me give an example. There is a great deal of testimony and evidence that Matthew was originally written in Hebrew. Look at the Great Commission from a Hebrew perspective.

Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

First let’s define some of the key words from a Hebrew perspective.

Disciple = Follower
Name = Character trait
Father = He who gives strength to the family.
Son = offspring who is like the father
Holy = Set asside for a special purpose
Spirit = breath/ source of life
Baptize = emmerse (Gr)

With these understandings in place look at the verse again.

Go therefore and make followers of all the nations, immersing them in the character traits of the one who gives strength to the family and of his offspring who is like Him and of the special breath which is set asside for the purpose of being the source of life.

The “Great Commission” is neither a Trinitarian proof text nor even a complete water baptism verse. Water baptism is only a shadow of the deeper emersion we are to have in the Character of God as shown through His son Jesus.

We worship our heavenly father through His son Jesus.
Worship = In our modern western culture worship is an action directed toward God and God alone. But this is not the case in the Hebrew Bible. The word shehhah is a common Hebrew word meaning to prostrate oneself before another in respect. We see Moses doing this to his father in law in Exodus 18:7. When the translators translate the word shehhah they will use the word "worship" when the bowing down is directed toward God but as "obeisance" or other equivalent word when directed toward another man. There is no Hebrew word meaning worship in the sense that we are used to using it in our culture today. From an Hebraic perspective worship, or shehhah is the act of getting down on ones knees and placing the face down on the ground before another worthy of respect.

http://www.ancient-h...27_worship.html

The life we live outside of Christ is only a shadow. The debates we get so excited about are mere tokens of the life we are to have in Christ.
In him do we live move and have our being. Through and in Jesus Christ do we again have access to the tree of Life. God is the source of all life. He exists. He lives. He is. He anxiously awaits to give life and life more abundantly to all those who by faith come through Christ blood sacrifice unto their own heavenly father and source of their life.

[gonewai josua]

the scriptural SPIRIT and spirit:

Matthew 3 v 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Matthew 4 v 1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Matthew 5 v 3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 8 v 16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

Matthew 10 v 1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

Matthew 10 v 20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Matthew 12 v 18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Matthew 12 v 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Matthew 12 v 43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

Matthew 12 v 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Matthew 14 v 26 And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.

Matthew 22 v 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

Matthew 26 v 41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Mark 14 v 38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.

Luke 1 v 17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

Luke 1 v 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Luke 1 v 80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.

Luke 2 v 27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

Luke 4 v 1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

Luke 4 v 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.

Acts 10 v 19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

[music4name]

gonewai josua, on 05 March 2010 - 10:02 PM, said:

the scriptural SPIRIT and spirit:

Matthew 3 v 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Matthew 4 v 1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Matthew 5 v 3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 8 v 16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

Matthew 10 v 1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

Matthew 10 v 20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Matthew 12 v 18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Matthew 12 v 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Matthew 12 v 43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

Matthew 12 v 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Matthew 14 v 26 And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.

Matthew 22 v 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

Matthew 26 v 41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Mark 14 v 38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.

Luke 1 v 17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

Luke 1 v 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Luke 1 v 80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.

Luke 2 v 27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

Luke 4 v 1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

Luke 4 v 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.

Acts 10 v 19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

Of course you fail to mention that the oldest manuscripts (from which all other manuscripts were made) hold no capitol letters and no punctuation. All those things were added to the text at a later time. Therefore no doctrine can be based on the capitols inserted by man.

[Steven3]

gonewai josua, on 05 March 2010 - 10:02 PM, said:

the scriptural SPIRIT and spirit:

Likewise in the Hindi Bible there are no capitals.

Gonewai Joshua. What specifically did the disciples receive in John 20:22

[music4name]

Before one starts to study the Holy Spirit perhaps one should define the words themselves in the OT and the NT.

[Matt Smith]

music4name, on 24 March 2010 - 01:59 PM, said:

Before one starts to study the Holy Spirit perhaps one should define the words themselves in the OT and the NT.

There's some good studies here.

One word translated spirit is the Hebrew word ruach which means wind, or breath. It is used in several different contexts including state of mind or attitude.

That's a good start for someone.

[music4name]

Matt Smith, on 24 March 2010 - 06:56 PM, said:

music4name, on 24 March 2010 - 01:59 PM, said:

Before one starts to study the Holy Spirit perhaps one should define the words themselves in the OT and the NT.

There's some good studies here.

One word translated spirit is the Hebrew word ruach which means wind, or breath. It is used in several different contexts including state of mind or attitude.

That's a good start for someone.

Exactly right. Furthermore the meaning in the NT (pneuma) means essentially the same thing. The term "the" that is often used prior to the term "Holy Spirit" is many times not in the Greek. Pneuma carries through to the english in it's use in pneumatic tools having to do with the moving of air.
So many people read scripture without understanding this very simple definition. they read "spirit" and place some animation to what is essentially a description of the "breath/wind" of God moving in the natural realm. If people would be honest with scripture when reading spirit and translate it as breath or wind they would be more hesitant to call it a person.

[gonewai josua]

music4name, on 19 March 2010 - 02:09 AM, said:

Of course you fail to mention that the oldest manuscripts (from which all other manuscripts were made) hold no capitol letters and no punctuation. All those things were added to the text at a later time. Therefore no doctrine can be based on the capitols inserted by man.

i don't have the right to change capitals and even if i do i won't change anything. whatever is written stays written.

[music4name]

gonewai josua, on 27 March 2010 - 05:21 AM, said:

music4name, on 19 March 2010 - 02:09 AM, said:

Of course you fail to mention that the oldest manuscripts (from which all other manuscripts were made) hold no capitol letters and no punctuation. All those things were added to the text at a later time. Therefore no doctrine can be based on the capitols inserted by man.

i don't have the right to change capitals and even if i do i won't change anything. whatever is written stays written.

And Yet you are willing to use changes others have made to partially support your doctrine. How typical of false teachers....